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== Wilderness Research==


PLEASE ADD YOUR RESEARCH BY EDITING THE END OF THIS TABLE


Good job everybody! We've assembled a good amount of Archer and Ballista information, and are requesting a bit more info with other troop types, especially Cavalry and Catapults. Level 10 wilderness data especially needed' to complete KOC Wiki. Keep the info coming, greatly appreciated! The most useful data are from attacks that lose minimal troops, or no losses at all. We are looking for an effective army unit, show us what you got!


Research MUST be conducted as follows:

  1. Send one militia per trap in to do trap removal.
  2. Send at least 1 of the slowest troop uses in both waves so as not to overtake your initial trap removal squad.
  3. Record your result, including research levels.
  4. For the timestamp/sig column, you can just put ~~~~ (4 tildes in a row) to automatically fill in the details.


Poi = Poisoned Edge, Met = Metal Alloys, Flt = Fletching, Heal = Healing Potion


< Right click, Insert Row. Type in data. Tap four tilde ~ marks in signature box. Next to #1 on keyboard ;) Good to go. > Note: When you send your trap removal guy, the battle report will show only 1 trap removed. However, your main force will nevertheless NOT be fighting any traps, as you can see by your second battle report, where no traps will be listed. If you find this not to be the case, comment below. Note: After the latest update, you need to send 1:1 for Militia:Traps. And it will display how many traps were taken out properly as well. For lvl9 Wild 1st Wave with 1 Milita is still enough to clear all Traps. (edit by: Desero) Added column for Swordsman sent/lost, I have tested this repeatedly with 1200 lost Archers, 1 lost Sword (edit by: Blue Maxx) Observations:

  • Metal Alloys makes no difference (see test 7 + 8).
  • Healing Potions makes no difference ( test 8 + 11)
  • Poisoned Edge makes little difference (test 14 + 16)
500 Battering Rams, was just a different approach to the #78, same result, seems catapults are needed?!?
Wild
Lvl
Poi Met Flt Heal Knight
Lvl
Pikes
Sent
Lost Sword
Sent
Lost Archer
Sent
Lost Cav
Sent
Lost H.Cav
Sent
Lost Ballista
Sent
Lost Ram Sent Lost Cats
Sent
Lost TimeStamp/Sig Other Notes
8 9 6 9 9 76 40000 31 800 1 Elwynd 14:32, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
9 9 8 9 9 77 17000 714 500 102 Elwynd 14:32, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
9 9 8 9 9 77 18000 324 500 100 Elwynd 14:37, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
9 7 7 9 4 75 19000 1231 200 100 Elwynd 16:23, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
9 9 8 9 9 77 18000 901 200 100 Elwynd 14:37, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
9 7 7 9 5 75 20000 727 200 100 Elwynd 19:45, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
9 8 6 9 5 75 19000 640 200 100 Elwynd 15:02, May 5, 2010 (UTC)
9 8 7 9 5 75 19000 640 200 100 Elwynd 15:02, May 5, 2010 (UTC)
9 9 8 9 9 77 21000 318 500 100 Elwynd 15:02, May 5, 2010 (UTC)
9 8 6 9 5 75 21000 274 500 100 Elwynd 20:34, May 5, 2010 (UTC)
9 8 7 9 6 75 19000 640 200 100 Elwynd 20:34, May 5, 2010 (UTC)
9 9 8 9 8 78 21000 378 500 102 Elwynd 12:42, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
9 8 6 9 6 75 23000 318 500 100 Elwynd 12:42, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
9 8 8 9 6 75 21000 318 500 100 Elwynd 12:42, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
9 8 7 9 6 75 21000 464 200 100 Elwynd 12:42, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
9 9 6 9 6 75 21000 319 500 100 Elwynd 12:42, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
10 9 8 9 8 75 800 297 Elwynd 13:16, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
9 9 7 9 8 85 77000 410 300 100 Byrron 06:57, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
10 6 6 8 5 72 59999 3778 0 0 Desero 09:32, May 9, 2010(UTC)
9 9 9 9 9 100 15870 1414 110 10 Jstuart99705 07:15, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
Wild Poi Met Fle Heal Knight Pike
Pike
Sword Lost Archers Lost Cav Lost HCav Lost Ballista Lost Ram Lost Cats Lost Timestamp Notes

10

7

7

7

7

72

79000

2776

0

0

LouizaV 13:50, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

10

7

7

7

7

75

79000

2776

0

0

LouizaV 14:04, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

10

9

9

9

9

73

79000

4126

0

0

Jessie74 20:39, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

10

9

9

9

9

74

79000

4126

0

0

Jessie74 20:48, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

10

9

9

9

9

74

77000

1980

1000

400

Jessie74 21:24, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

10

9

9

9

9

88

89799

2286

200

200

Corralynn 05:38, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

10

7

7

7

7

63

60000

2776

0

0

LouizaV 19:00, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

10

7

7

7

7

63

57224

2781

0

0

LouizaV 19:22, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

10

10

9

10

9

88

77693

2126

0

0

Aibell 22:09, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

10

10

9

9

9

85(106)

78940

1628

1060

350

LivingDust 04:44, May 13, 2010 (UTC)

10

10

9

9

9

107

79239

1888

760

352

LivingDust 05:13, May 13, 2010 (UTC)

9

6

6

8

5

73

79999

923

0

0

Desero 13:44, May 13, 2010 (UTC)

10

10

9

10

9

95

59999

2246

0

0

Aibell 20:51, May 13, 2010 (UTC)

9

8

8

8

8

84

10000

1

33000

1200

0

0

Blue maxx 20:33, May 14, 2010 (UTC)

10

10

9

10

9

68

60000

2596

0

0

Aibell 22:39, May 15, 2010 (UTC)

10

10

9

10

9

68

60000

2476

0

0

Aibell 22:39, May 15, 2010 (UTC)

10

10

9

10

9

68

60000

2476

0

0

Aibell 22:39, May 15, 2010 (UTC)

10

10

9

10

9

95

59548

2476

0

0

Aibell 22:39, May 15, 2010 (UTC)

9

7

7

8

6

77

35000

1203

0

0

Shuvra 17:49, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

10

9

9

9

9

88

89999

2776

0

0

Gregorysean 19:41, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

Wild Poi Met Fle Heal Knight Pike
Pike
Sword Lost Archers Lost Cav Lost HCav Lost Ballista Lost Ram Lost Cats Lost Timestamp Notes

10

9

9

9

9

88

20000

2

69999

2770

0

0

Gregorysean 19:41, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

10

9

9

9

9

88

22000

2

61999

1000

6000

400

Gregorysean 19:41, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

10

9

9

9

9

88

87000

1006

3000

350

Gregorysean 19:41, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

10

9

9

9

9

88

70000

1006

3000

400

Gregorysean 19:41, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

10

9

9

9

9

88

60000

1006

3000

400

Gregorysean 19:41, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

10

9

9

9

9

88

20000

1006

40000

1994

1000

450

Gregorysean 19:41, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

10

9

9

9

9

88

10000

167

50000

1693

1200

450

Gregorysean 19:41, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

10

9

9

9

9

88

58000

1283

1800

400

Gregorysean 20:14, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

10

9

9

9

9

88

60000

1283

1800

400

Gregorysean 20:33, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

10

9

9

9

9

88

10000

2

60000

1276

1800

400

Gregorysean 21:41, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

10

9

9

9

9

88

15000

2

60000

1276

1800

400

Gregorysean 21:59, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

10

9

9

9

9

88

60000

1190

2000

400

Gregorysean 22:28, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

10

10

9

9

9

89

60000

1006

2400

400

Gregorysean 10:41, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

9

9

9

9

9

80

21000

318

500

100

Gregorysean 22:34, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

8

9

9

9

9

79

16500

18000

170

400

Jennings1968 00:52, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

8

8

8

8

8

102

12500

12500

240

250

Doyousketch2 07:12, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

8

9

9

9

9

72

10000

1

800

Jennings1968 10:42, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

Only lost 1 Archer. Increasing Archers to 12500 or Ballistas to 900 yielded same results.

Wild Poi Met Fle Heal Knight Pike
Pike
Sword Lost Archers Lost Cav Lost HCav Lost Ballista Lost Ram Lost Cats Lost Timestamp Notes

10

9

9

9

9

88

22000

0

60000

1000

1000

340

6000

0

250

200

Gregorysean 10:16, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

this wave also included 250 pikers and 500 battering rams with no losses to either. I do not think they were useful at all. I believe the loss of 200 of the 250 sent catapults offset the loss of the ballistae seen in other tests.

10

10

9

9

9

89

60000

1190

2000

400

Gregorysean 10:16, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

Equiv. to #52 in results - poisoned edge and knight both +1

8

9

8

9

9

74

17500

17500

216

300

Jennings1968 11:00, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

10

10

9

9

9

89

58000

1006

2500

400

Gregorysean 11:18, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

nearly same as #53. this is the most efficient of mine to date

8

9

9

9

9

72

10000

125

500

Jennings1968 13:02, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

Only lost 125 archers.

10

10

9

9

9

89

58000

1000

2500

340

2400

400

Gregorysean 14:02, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

compare #57 and #60

10

10

9

9

9

89

58000

1006

2400

400

Gregorysean 14:52, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

this is about the most efficient without catapults with these high stats

9

9

8

9

9

76

12157

1

35925

1060

Tx-p 16:44, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

Including Battering 800 Rams (compare 65)

9

9

8

9

9

76

71907

923

Tx-p 16:44, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

Including Battering 800 Rams, seems that the amount of Archers has no real effect, something is missing (see Test 64)

10

7

6

9

6

74

89999

2777

Desero 17:04, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

10

7

6

9

6

74

89800

2287

200

200

Desero 17:04, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

9

7

6

9

6

74

89999

923

Desero 17:04, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

9 8 8 9 8 84 4000 1 40000 1060 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Blue maxx 16:06, May 18, 2010 (UTC) Blood Lust applied 20% boost in attack - total losses of 1060 Archers, 1 Sword
10 9 9 9 9 77 60000 5596 Jessie74 19:33, May 18, 2010 (UTC) I want what LouizaV's got, cos I'm sending same number of troops and suffering much higher loses with better Research... see test 27
10 10 9 9 9 89 57000 5476 Gregorysean 15:12, May 19, 2010 (UTC) this result makes me think there was an unannounced strength adjustment in the last 24 hrs when taken with #70. I will now retest previously used numbers.
10 10 9 9 9 89 60000 1006 2400 400 Gregorysean 16:26, May 19, 2010 (UTC) This is essentially a retest of 63 and is precisely what I expected so the last few tests seem to indicate these are right at the most efficient numbers as expected rather than indicating an adjustment in strength of any kind.
10 10 9 9 9 89 57000 1006 2400 400 Gregorysean 16:48, May 19, 2010 (UTC) Again, this looks most efficient with these high stats and ballistae but without catapults. For archers only I would probably try around 65k and expect around 2776 losses. I'm ok with this for now.
10 10 9 9 9 89 56000 1006 2400 400 Gregorysean 19:21, May 19, 2010 (UTC) Slightly better than 73
Wild Poi Met Fle Heal Knight Pike
Pike
Sword Lost Archers Lost Cav Lost HCav Lost Ballista Lost Ram Lost Cats Lost Timestamp Notes
10 10 9 9 9 89 55000 1006 2400 400 Gregorysean 19:49, May 19, 2010 (UTC) Better
10 10 9 9 9 89 54000 1006 2400 400 Gregorysean 20:03, May 19, 2010 (UTC) Better
10 10 9 9 9 89 54000 1096 2200 400 Gregorysean 20:33, May 19, 2010 (UTC) Worse
* * * * **** 4th CITY UPGRADE ****
9 9 8 9 9 79 82607 1 3050 100 Tx-p 07:24, May 21, 2010 (UTC) After upgrade!! Does the Metall-Alloy do the effect here of losing the 100 Ballistas?!?? And who did confirm on the Wilderniss page that this was OK? ^^
9 9 9 9 9 86 10000 66550 2950 100 Tx-p 08:36, May 21, 2010 (UTC) With 500 Battering rams, different approach to #78, no different, Catapults?!?
10 10 9 9 9 86 56000 2285 800 452 Gregorysean 10:00, May 21, 2010 (UTC) First wave included 1200 supply troops who died. I messed up the allistae numbers because I'm doing lvl 8s for crests at the same time. These numbers make me think the previous numbers will work fine if 1:1 shock troops to traps wave is sent first.
8 8 8 8 8 64 29962 0 32206 0 871 50 Eshara24 01:44, May 21, 2010 (UTC) Imo there should be no ballista loss, however there were, so I'm guessing they will come back in 24 hrs after 5 friends answer the |troop recover call. Will update later if it happens. Also going to test with 40k archer and 800 ballista only.
8 9 9 9 9 86 40000 0 1400 0 Tx-p 21:54, May 21, 2010 (UTC) @ #81 This way no problem with lvl8 !!!
8 9 9 9 9 86 40000 1 800 0 Tx-p 21:59, May 21, 2010 (UTC) Just confirming the Wilderness entry !!! Nearly OK, one loss Archer ;-) But with lvl9 !! Maybe someone can confirm it with lvl8 !!!
10 9 9 9 9 86 6500 2 79998 1000 3000 450 Tx-p 22:09, May 21, 2010 (UTC) +500 Battering Rams (OK, they make no difference), lvl10 fletching makes a difference it seams of 50 balistea, look at #72-74 !!!!! will confrim taht in a sec
10 9 9 9 9 81 31765 0 49762 1000 4050 385 3774 350 Fabula 22:33, May 21, 2010 (UTC)
10 9 9 9 9 86 54000 1006 2400 400 Tx-p 22:38, May 21, 2010 (UTC) Gregorysean #75 makes no difference if fletching lvl9 or 10, but look at #85 maybe kava mixed into it?
Wild Poi Met Fle Heal Knight Pike
Pike
Sword Lost Archers Lost Cav Lost HCav Lost Ballista Lost Ram Lost Cats Lost Timestamp Notes
10 8 9 9 8 84 0 0 70000 5059 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Blue maxx 00:40, May 22, 2010 (UTC) **NOTE** 20,000 militia sent with this attack with 257 lost and 20% Bloodlust applied
9 9 9 9 9 74 14000 1 30000 0 0 0 0 0 1600 100 0 0 Jennings1968 11:15, May 22, 2010 (UTC) Lvl 9 tech attacking a Lvl 9 wild with 30K archers and 14k sword
10 8 9 9 8 88 0 0 69000 5056 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Blue maxx 18:19, May 23, 2010 (UTC) 20k militia sent with second wave - lost 270
9 8 6 9 8 76 0 0 47030 2 0 0 0 0 1678 100 0 0 Desero 10:11, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
9 8 6 9 8 76 8799 0 47028 1060 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Desero 11:37, May 24, 2010 (UTC) Forgot to send out Ballista :-(
Did sent 1549pikes too, lost 2 of them.
9 8 6 9 8 76 8000 1 45000 0 0 0 0 0 1400 100 0 0 Desero 12:52, May 24, 2010 (UTC) next test with 40k archer
9 8 6 9 8 76 8000 1 40000 0 0 0 0 0 1300 100 0 0 Desero 13:53, May 24, 2010 (UTC) next test with 35k archer
9 8 6 9 8 76 8000 0 35000 3 0 0 0 0 1200 100 0 0 Desero 15:53, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
9 8 6 9 8 76 8000 1 35000 33 0 0 0 0 1100 100 0 0 Desero 16:09, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

1100 Balista not enogh for just 1 loss.










Going to build more

9 9 9 9 9 76 12000 1 30000 0 0 0 0 0 1200 100 0 0 Jennings1968 11:19, May 25, 2010 (UTC) 1200 Ballistas works
9 9 9 10 9 96 85276 0 3995 0 Byrron 17:59, May 25, 2010 (UTC) No losses - also had 724 Rams in the wave
9 8 8 9 9 82 0 0 85219 0 0 0 0 0 4781 100 0 0 G32Lurid 15:51, May 26, 2010 (UTC) I will try adding rams once i trained them as to check #97
9 8 6 9 8 77 0 0 75000 1 0 0 0 0 2900 100 0 0 Desero 16:59, May 26, 2010 (UTC) Looks like
lvl10 fletch is
nessesary to not
loose any ballista
10 10 9 10 10 97 100k 2126 Snowcatrm 22:13, May 30, 2010 (UTC) samel osses as 90k archers
10 9 9 10 10 92 10000 0 70000 1000 2840 400 Tx-p 07:56, June 2, 2010 (UTC) As usual the 400 balistea....
Wild Poi Met Fle Heal Knight Pike
Pike
Sword Lost Archers Lost Cav Lost HCav Lost Ballista Lost Ram Lost Cats Lost Timestamp Notes
9 9 9 10 10 76 77350 1 2650 0 Tx-p 10:46, June 2, 2010 (UTC) It seams possible to not loose troops for lvl.9 !! Compared to #97 and #99 it seams to be fletching
10 9 9 10 10 92 5000 2 65000 1000 5200 400 Tx-p 19:13, June 2, 2010 (UTC) No plan how to get it without losses... Impossible... Cats? But how many?
9 9 9 9 9 82 10000 0 70000 0 2800 100
9 9 9 10 9 83 75000 1 2500 0 Eshara24 01:34, June 4, 2010 (UTC) Only lost 1 archer, fletching 10 is the key.
10 9 9 10 9 95 1000 5 8000 0 80000 1000 600 400 Sampson326 13:18, June 4, 2010 (UTC) will always lose 400 ballistas no matter how many u send
9 9 6 10 9 105 7000 0 3500 0 Spazmoid 12:35, June 5, 2010 (UTC)
9 9 6 10 9 105 7000 1 3495 0 Spazmoid 13:04, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

2. Try doesn´t works

10 9 9 10 9 126 995 758 12000 227 50000 1946 492 460 Sampson326 07:26, June 6, 2010 (UTC) lost 1200mm first wave...note(if u miss sendng the first wave in time send twice as many scouts on atk to take out traps instead
10 9 9 10 9 126 237 5 30000 58054 1000 482 400 Sampson326 10:55, June 6, 2010 (UTC) lost 1200mm first wave
10 9 9 9 9 94 90000 2776 Jennings1968 17:13, June 10, 2010 (UTC) sent 1.2kmm seperately
9 10 9 10 9 103 35000 2 2175 Sampson326 19:26, June 18, 2010 (UTC) lost 600mm first wave
10 9 9 9 9 102 83976 1006 4999 350 LordHearOurPrayer 18:36, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry for the oddball numbers; wasn't intending for research.







1st wave: 1199MIL/1BAL.







2nd wave: also included 1025RAM.







Total Loss: 1199MIL/1006ARC/351BAL.







Question: how did I get the BAL loss down from 401 to 351? The RAMs?







Warrants further research, pls.

8 9 9 9 9 101 10000 279 800 23

Kingerick 19:56, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

mountain
8 9 9 9 9 101 40000 296 800 6

Kingerick 19:56, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

mountain
10 10 9 10 9 104 91804 1006 8060 0 136 107 Sampson326 00:50, June 22, 2010 (UTC) 2400 scouts lost...missed time to send mm first
8 6 5 7 4 64 9927 401 93 93 ```` 3573 Militiaman sent, 1,573 lost
10 10 9 10 10 95 90000 0 10000 50 Eshara24 01:31, July 18, 2010 (UTC) Still 50 cat loss. I'm thinking needs ballista/rams?
8 8 6 8 7 73 1800 0 15000 240 250 50

PerrinAybara 0800,










July 22, 2010

lake, 1000 mm
Wild Poi Met Fle Heal Knight Pike Pike Sword Lost Archers Lost Cav Lost HCav Lost Ballista Lost Ram Lost Cats Lost Timestamp Notes
10 10 9 10 10 116 80000 0 5000 0 5000 0 10000 50 Eshara24 13:51, July 23, 2010 (UTC) Looks like 50 cat loss is definite no matter what.. probably 20k cats will also have same result.
9 10 9 10 10 82 30742 2 2265 0 Lord Vet 11:57, July 24, 2010 (UTC)
8 10 9 9 9 102 13000 0 31000 473 Anakin13 b 04:58, July 25, 2010 (UTC)
9 10 9 9 9 104 13000 1 40850 1060 Anakin13 b 22:44, July 26, 2010 (UTC) Looks like you need ballistas to not lose much on lvl 9's
10 10 9 9 9 104 13000 2 67985 2270 Anakin13 b 05:55, July 28, 2010 (UTC)
10 10 9 9 9 104 12996 2 62095 4120 Anakin13 b 22:45, July 28, 2010 (UTC)
10 10 9 9 9 105 14000 13998 66355 2770 Anakin13 b 15:45, July 29, 2010 (UTC)
9 10 9 10 10 105 45000 0 50000 0 5000 0 ```` Level 9 - No losses.
8 9 9 9 9 89 2500 0 2500 0 Jason Frazier 08:35, August 8, 2010 (UTC) Discovered these numbers quite by accident when tried using Lvl 9 suggested numbers and missed a 0 on my archers.
Lvl 8 Study Poi Met Fle Heal Knight Pike Pike Sword Lost Archers Lost Cav Lost HCav Lost Ballista Lost Ram Lost Cats Lost Timestamp Notes
8 7 7 7 7 66 36000 545 Alatari 06:53, August 11, 2010 (UTC) Least number of archers to take lvl 8 with expected losses.
8 7 7 7 7 66 300 1 300 0 36000 543 Alatari 19:45, August 10, 2010 (UTC) This is the lowest number before taking more losses.
8 7 7 7 7 66 300 2 300 1 35000 573 Alatari 19:45, August 10, 2010 (UTC) Breaking point where losses increase.
8 7 7 7 7 66 3500 1 3500 35000 543 Alatari 06:53, August 11, 2010 (UTC) The extra pikes and swords protect 30 archers and bring back to 543 lost.
8 7 7 7 7 66 3500 2 3500 1 33000 613 Alatari 06:53, August 11, 2010 (UTC) Dropping from only archers at 36,000 to 33,000 with pike and sword guards the losses start to climb.
8 7 7 7 7 66 1000 1 1000 34000 543 Alatari 06:53, August 11, 2010 (UTC) Conclusion: you can substitute 1000 pikes and 1000 swords for 2000 archers. (67% instead of 66% knight makes no difference)
Lvl 9 study Poi Met Fle Heal Knight Pike Pike Sword Lost Archers Lost Cav Lost HCav Lost Ballista Lost Ram Lost Cats Lost Timestamp Notes
9 7 7 7 7 66 39000 1063 Alatari 23:30, August 12, 2010 (UTC) Least number of archers to take lvl 9 with expected losses (1063).
9 7 7 7 7 66 38000 1203 Alatari 23:30, August 12, 2010 (UTC) This number is where you start taking more losses. (1201)
9 7 7 7 7 66 2000 1 2000 0 37000 1060 Alatari 23:30, August 12, 2010 (UTC) You can use 2000 less archers if you send 2000 pikers and swords as body guards.
9 7 7 7 7 66 1500 2 1500 0 37000 1200 Alatari 23:30, August 12, 2010 (UTC) I tried a 1:1 swap of swords/pikes for archers like lvl 8 but you need to go with 2:1 replacement on lvl 9.
9 7 7 7 7 66 5000 2 5000 1 36000 1200 Alatari 23:30, August 12, 2010 (UTC) Sending lots of body guards but still dropping below 37,000 archers starts losing you more. CONCLUSION: Level 9 is not much harder than level 8; just 3000 more archers but the losses are doubled.
9 7 7 7 7 66 2000 2 2000 0 37000 0 2800 625 Alatari 23:30, August 12, 2010 (UTC) Adding balistas with lvl 7 fletch is costly. One ballista is about equal to 7 archers in value of the assets used. For the 625 ballistas lost I could have built 4800 archers.
Wild Poi Met Fle Heal Knight Pike Pike Sword Lost Archers Lost Cav Lost HCav Lost Ballista Lost Ram Lost Cats Lost Timestamp Notes
8 8 7 8 8 65 50000 545 Lady Sabine 18:04, August 12, 2010 (UTC) 20% troop defense, 20% troop attack
8 8 7 8 8 65 1000 1 1000 0 50000 543 Lady Sabine 19:08, August 12, 2010 (UTC) 20% troop defense, 20% troop attack
8 8 7 8 8 65 2000 0 2000 0 50000 170 2000 227 400 50 Lady Sabine 22:08, August 12, 2010 (UTC) 20% attack/20% defense &1000mm
8 8 7 8 8 66 5000 6 5000 5 50000 240 350 51 Lady Sabine 01:20, August 13, 2010 (UTC) 20% attack/20% defense &1000mm (5 lost)
8 8 7 8 8 66 5000 4 5000 3 50000 225 329 51 Lady Sabine 02:37, August 13, 2010 (UTC) 20% attack/20% defense & 10K mm (5 lost)
9 10 9 10 10 90 0 0 10 0 25000 0 2500 0 Goodlight 21:56, August 31, 2010 (UTC) Handful of swordsman keeps you from loosing an archer
9 10 9 10 10 90 0 0 0 0 10000 1 2500 0 Goodlight 22:03, August 31, 2010 (UTC) Fewer Archers
9 10 9 10 10 90 0 0 1 1 9000 68 2500 0 Goodlight 22:20, August 31, 2010 (UTC) Even fewer Archers, 10k seems to be the line
10 8 7 9 8 76 0 0 0 0 37789 1006 5257 450 Perry Johns 01:31, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Sent Suicide wave of 1199 MM and 1 Balliste

8 10 9 10 10 88 10000 35 20000 67 60000 673
Wild Poi Met Fle Heal Knight Pike Pike Sword Lost Archers Lost Cav Lost HCav Lost Ballista Lost Ram Lost Cats Lost Timestamp Notes
8 10 9 10 10 88 0 0 0 0 90000 774
9 9 9 10 10 73 0 17000 0 80573 0 2254 0 LSchuyler 05:40, September 14, 2010 (UTC) Flawless lvl 9
9 7 7 9 7 77 0 0 32000 83 1000 100 Joie1321 22:59, September 14, 2010 (UTC)
9 7 7 9 7 75 200 199 30000 80 1000 100 Joie1321 00:40, September 15, 2010 (UTC)
8 8 8 8 7 68 937 10 28964 568 149 52 Mark Bunster 21:24, September 17, 2010 (UTC) NOTE: Blood lust applied!
9 9 8 10 9 78 15000 645 1600 58 Grubok 19:12, September 28, 2010 (UTC) NOTE: notice the level 8 Metal Alloys
9 9 9 10 9 78 15000 2 1600 0 Grubok 19:30, September 28, 2010 (UTC) NOTE: upgrading to level 9 Metal alloys made this a 'perfect' attack
10 9 9 10 10 97 80000 1006 9000 350 1000 0

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9 10 9 10 10 100 89500 3 500 0 Nikki Francis 14:50, October 7, 2010 (UTC)
10 9 9 9 9 82 50000 9161
10 9 9 9 9 91 20000 0 29700 1000 19600 1617 4700 350 10/18 badon172 also sent 16k milita on second wave and lost zero.
9 9 9 9 9 92 2000 1 5000 0 35000 0 2500 100 Fcdominicci 17:49, October 31, 2010 (UTC) 600MM + 1 Ar. + 1 Bal 1st Wave (Lost)
wild poi met fle heal knight pike lost swd lost archer lost cav lost hcav lost ball lost ram lost cat lost timestamp
9 10 9 10 9 97 3000 0 84750 0 2000 0 250 0 11/5 badon172
9 10 9 10 10 97 15000 0 30000 0 3000 0 November 3rd 2010 Discovered when i decided to send swords with my attack wavesBen.penta 21:00, November 5, 2010 (UTC)
10 10 9 10 10 104 29250 2 59450 1000 10000 400 1300 0 Nov 26th 2010
10 10 9 10 10 118 100000 7177 Thoriel 14:11, January 29, 2011 (UTC) Wild was so far that I just sent one full wave of cavalry.
10 10 9 10 10 134 54516 1770 35000 1381 Thoriel 04:34, January 30, 2011 (UTC) Mishap with returned archers not showing up, so had to send cav instead.
10 10 10 10 10 128 149999 1770 J JM 09:20, April 16, 2011 (UTC) LVL11 Rally, Lvl9 Wood Guardian (+16% health)

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